Maher vs Ellison

Bill Maher had Keith Ellison on his show last Friday, Ellison being the only Muslim we've got in congress. He says he converted because he went to the mosque and he liked what he heard.

“about a message of inclusion, social justice, all races all colors in the room”

That put me right off my feed, it did. He sees inclusion where half the audience is fenced off in the back row and covered with gunny sacks? Maybe he'd hear it at a KKK rally too, what with all different types of white male christians in the room. Or maybe he just hears what he wants to hear?

Maher is kind of a dick, lays out a whole book's worth of stuff for Ellison to refute in just the few seconds he gives him, and then quotes Sam Harris

Bill Maher 

"On almost every page, the Quran instructs observant Muslims to despise nonbelievers."

Rep. Ellison

That's absurd, ridiculous, and untrue.

Bull Shit, dude, I've read it, and it fucken does. Dwindling in Unbelief lays it all out here, in the first of two posts on this interview.  But Ellison, he hoists the 'Context' flag and sails right off  the  horizon of reality

“Why don't you read the part where it says that anyone who takes a life, it's as if he'd killed the whole world, and anyone who saves a life it's as if he'd saved the whole world?”

Well, Kieth, that's because there is no such part. It says that just like the pledge of allegiance says "I pledge allegiance to God." The words are in there, sure, but sorry,  you have to include the words in between

^5:32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. (yusuf ali)

That's Holy Mo quoting God telling the Jews what to do, in the Talmud. And the Koran says Jews are apes and pigs Apepigs? Pigapes? Swinesimians? Simswinians? the scum of the human race, so if this applies to Muslims, they must be scum too.

It doesn't say it would be bad if this Jew slew a whole people (never assume!) but let's say it would be---Doesn't say a Muslim can't. And even if Muslims are scum too, it's not always: Hey Keith, I saw what you did there, leaving out that “unless”.

You get a pass if it's revenge for a murder. Illinois just became civilized and outlawed the death penalty, your own state of Minnesota banned it in 1911. Maybe you can draw up new legislation to take us back to the twelfth century.

It's not just murder Jews can bump you off for, either, it's ok for somebody who spreads mischief. Watch it there, Kitty.

OK, OK, the movie wasn't perfect, but killing the distributors seems a little over the top. Here's what islamic experts have to say:

As-Sudi, “one of the most reliable commentators”, and a bunch of other guys, tell us what mischief is.

“mischief is disobeying Allah”

Wait, Whut? Why would a Jew kill anybody for disobeying Allah? It doesn't make any sense. (IDMAS) Oh that's right, Muslims are scum too, they get to kill anybody who disobeys Allah. And that's that part Ellison wants us to read? So we don't think it's being mean to us? IDMAS. Context, moar, pleeez. Next line.

5:33 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land:

Ass-Sudsi again:

"'Wage war' mentioned here ... includes disbelief”

So what it says is, the punishment for those who disbelieve Allah and Mo (Allamo?) is ...Ewwww.

5:32 it would be bad to slay a person--unless it be for disobeying Allah:
33 The punishment of those who disbelieve is execution, and gory stuff.

OK, Kieth, you sure convinced me.
What is it with you god junkies, why can't you see how this stuff looks to normal people?